Return-Path: Received: from murder ([unix socket]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Cyrus v2.2.8-Mandrake-RPM-2.2.8-4.2.101mdk) with LMTPA; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 01:39:06 +0200 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D4961B62 for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 01:39:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29003-01 for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 01:39:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id C86B461B50 for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 01:39:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DKPUe-0004Xs-D5; Sat, 09 Apr 2005 19:36:00 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DKPUd-0004Xn-2Q for ltru@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 09 Apr 2005 19:35:59 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA17429 for ; Sat, 9 Apr 2005 19:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [63.247.76.195] (helo=montage.altserver.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DKPdg-0003DW-D3 for ltru@ietf.org; Sat, 09 Apr 2005 19:45:20 -0400 Received: from lns-p19-8-idf-82-249-30-81.adsl.proxad.net ([82.249.30.81] helo=jfc.afrac.org) by montage.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1DKPU1-0007eU-Uv; Sat, 09 Apr 2005 16:35:22 -0700 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050410002727.03caf010@mail.jefsey.com> X-Sender: jefsey+jefsey.com@mail.jefsey.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 01:34:53 +0200 To: "Randy Presuhn" From: "JFC (Jefsey) Morfin" Subject: Re: [Ltru] language or price tag ? In-Reply-To: <007801c53d3a$12c31720$7f1afea9@oemcomputer> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050409184008.03cda230@pop.online.fr> <007801c53d3a$12c31720$7f1afea9@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jefsey.com X-Scan-Signature: 3e15cc4fdc61d7bce84032741d11c8e5 Cc: ltru Working Group X-BeenThere: ltru@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ltru-bounces@lists.ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@lists.ietf.org X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at alvestrand.no On 21:26 09/04/2005, Randy Presuhn said: >Hi - > > > From: "Jefsey Morfin" > > To: "ltru Working Group" > > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 9:44 AM > > Subject: [Ltru] language or price tag ? > > > > > http://www.dailypress.net/letters/story/046202005_let01-l0406.asp > > This type of consideration is exactly the kind of problem we all face and > > that langtags should participate into the resolution. > > jfc >... > >I find this puzzling. The letter in question advocates the adoption of >an official national language in the US, and uses the cost of supporting >multilingual access as justification. Are you proposing that the WG's >members should somehow lobby to rescind corresponding laws >in countries that have designated certain languages as "official"? >That would be *far* outside our charter. Shhhhh... Please read my comment. Am I not clear enough in saying that such considerations are precisely the problem we face? And we should bring another solution to. I advocate that such problems we all face (reality) should be addressed by techies more cleverly than in using ISO 3166 political divisions as language divisions; and that the cost reduction permited by a computer supported granular multilinguism and the legal aspects permitted by a less "prototype" and more multilingual internet architecture would allow politics to search, experiment and adopt more clever solutions. Our charter is not to rebuild the world (as some seems to want it), but to better adapt to and serve the world the way it is, to permit laws to be more adapted, and cost lower for better services to the people. The internet is the multilingual network of the multilingual people by the multilingual people. Our role is not to serve our egoes or RFCs, but to make it work, to make it work well, to make it work cheap and to make it work now. There is no doubt that whatever the result, this WG will have a price tag for the world. I only hope it can be as low or as negative (for a cost) as possible. When ICANN responded its brillantly obscure press release to the mobile telephone industry and its still more confuse response to MINC, Verisign and i-DNs on multilingual DNs both in summer 2000, an evaluation has been carried by a Canadian cabinet, about the resulting cost of just not understanding them and of the consequences, to 5 and 10 millions of $. Obviously the impact of langtags will be much more. One way or another. IMHO in the billion range over the years. But I am not the only one having figured that out. jfc _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru