Return-Path: Received: from murder ([unix socket]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Cyrus v2.2.8-Mandrake-RPM-2.2.8-4.2.101mdk) with LMTPA; Fri, 20 May 2005 17:24:29 +0200 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AB0F61B7B for ; Fri, 20 May 2005 17:24:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12928-01 for ; Fri, 20 May 2005 17:24:26 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: domain auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.4.8 Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [69.13.187.164]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10FA861AF1 for ; Fri, 20 May 2005 17:24:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from sarasvati.unicode.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unicode.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4KFNOmZ029258; Fri, 20 May 2005 10:23:24 -0500 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list unicode); Fri, 20 May 2005 10:23:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from montage.altserver.com (montage.altserver.com [63.247.74.122]) by unicode.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4KEuCRC032102 for ; Fri, 20 May 2005 09:56:15 -0500 Received: from lns-p19-8-idf-82-249-28-226.adsl.proxad.net ([82.249.28.226] helo=jfc.afrac.org) by montage.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1DZ8v5-0008Nh-2j; Fri, 20 May 2005 07:56:11 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050520163137.052ff730@mail.jefsey.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 16:56:06 +0200 To: "Doug Ewell" From: "JFC (Jefsey) Morfin" Subject: Re: ASCII and Unicode lifespan Cc: unicode@unicode.org In-Reply-To: <011701c55cf6$e6ba33c0$030aa8c0@DEWELL> References: <200505191954.j4JJs3e20759@birdie.sybase.com> <013f01c55cb6$0a438e90$0701a8c0@bruchner> <011701c55cf6$e6ba33c0$030aa8c0@DEWELL> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - unicode.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jefsey.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-archive-position: 20104 X-Approved-By: root@unicode.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: unicode-bounce@unicode.org Errors-To: unicode-bounce@unicode.org X-original-sender: jefsey@jefsey.com Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: unicode X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at alvestrand.no On 06:46 20/05/2005, Doug Ewell said: >Philippe Verdy wrote: > > > The only way I see to avoid stateful mechanisms with bidirectionnal > > scripts would have been to use the visual left-to-right order > > throughout the encoding. > >I continue to be amused at the use of the term "visual order" to >describe left-to-right ordering of scripts that are read right-to-left. > >I thought my questions might provoke some serious and thoughtful >responses. Mostly I have read the mailing-list equivalent of a barroom >free-for-all, with people breaking chairs over each other's (and >Unicode's) heads. I apologize, not least to myself, for getting >involved in this thread. Let me add to the stupid questions: where can I find a compendium on the logic difficulties and of the proposed solutions? I wish to understand the interest of Unicode as a flat common operational system vs. Unicode as a common reference to build operational specialised systems. The respective weight and complexity and possible escape solutions from one approach to the other. Thank you. jfc