Return-Path: Received: from murder ([unix socket]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Cyrus v2.2.8-Mandrake-RPM-2.2.8-4.2.101mdk) with LMTPA; Thu, 19 May 2005 17:08:10 +0200 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B3C461B7B for ; Thu, 19 May 2005 17:08:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21856-04 for ; Thu, 19 May 2005 17:08:04 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: domain auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.4.8 Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [69.13.187.164]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A2561B73 for ; Thu, 19 May 2005 17:08:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from sarasvati.unicode.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unicode.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4JF70t7012525; Thu, 19 May 2005 10:07:00 -0500 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list unicode); Thu, 19 May 2005 10:07:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from montage.altserver.com (montage.altserver.com [63.247.74.122]) by unicode.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4J29Ywq018203 for ; Wed, 18 May 2005 21:09:34 -0500 Received: from lns-p19-8-idf-82-249-8-90.adsl.proxad.net ([82.249.8.90] helo=jfc.afrac.org) by montage.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1DYaTW-00062Z-Bs; Wed, 18 May 2005 19:09:26 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050519030933.04230cf0@mail.jefsey.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 04:04:10 +0200 To: "Mark Davis" , "Peter Kirk" , "Michael Everson" From: "JFC (Jefsey) Morfin" Subject: Re: ASCII and Unicode lifespan Cc: "Unicode Discussion" In-Reply-To: <013201c55c0a$05abca20$4d6e3009@sanjose.ibm.com> References: <20050517050734.30229164037@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> <012d01c55aaf$501112c0$030aa8c0@DEWELL> <4289BE9A.4030006@qaya.org> <003601c55ae8$31edaea0$030aa8c0@DEWELL> <428A089D.6080804@qaya.org> <005e01c55b68$9a09ff40$030aa8c0@DEWELL> <428B13D8.80302@qaya.org> <6d99d1fd0505181245745fd40f@mail.gmail.com> <7822ca8105051814056e3d87d@mail.gmail.com> <428BD287.6000606@qaya.org> <013201c55c0a$05abca20$4d6e3009@sanjose.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - unicode.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jefsey.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-archive-position: 20054 X-Approved-By: root@unicode.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: unicode-bounce@unicode.org Errors-To: unicode-bounce@unicode.org X-original-sender: jefsey@jefsey.com Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: unicode X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at alvestrand.no At 02:30 19/05/2005, Mark Davis wrote: >It iz extreemlee difikult too git peepul too caenj a wiedspred sistum, eevun >if it iz not az rashunul az it cuud bee, win dhu kosts uv dooeen soe or >veree hie. Dhu reezun dhat Yoonikoed waz suc u sukses wuz dhat dhu paen >kaazd bie dhee dhen-egzisteen olturnutiv, u *hyooj* muras uv kunflikteen >koedpaejiz, wuz soe veree muc hieur. Soe peepul kuud see u kleer benufit >dhat maed it wurth dhee ekspens. > >Dhu odz uv dhat hapining in dhu foerseeubul fyoocur foer dhee inkoedeen uv >tekst or, at best, miniskyool. Noebudee iz goeeen too caenj too u brand-noo >inkoedeen bikuz "BRACKET" iz mispeld oer biblikul heebroo iz sumwut moer >okwurd dhan it kuud bee; it iz for too kostlee. I see the impact of Franglish on you :-) May be will you want to read RFC 3869 to see what IAB thinks about the commercially funded contributions great but unfortunately limited contribution capacity. As for the Roman horses asses vs. British ponies asses dispute over NASA rockets, all efforts contribute. But at some stage - the Lords and the Congress must pass a bill - and States to put money to finalise, harmonise, correct .. and sometime impose what private searchers did not dare to dream (look at Gabriel Mouton, 335 years ago ....). The Unicode effort will last, but it is a major step ahead calling for other ones. jfc PS. If you do not know who Gabriel Mouton http://lamar.colostate.edu/~hillger/origin.htm A pal of mine :-) >‎Mark > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Peter Kirk" >To: "Michael Everson" >Cc: "Unicode Discussion" >Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 16:40 >Subject: Re: ASCII and Unicode lifespan > > > > On 18/05/2005 22:25, Michael Everson wrote: > > > > > ... > > > Even if it were, it remains the case that such "perfection" will still > > > build on the analysis of the world's writing systems which we are > > > doing today as we encode scripts and characters. It is not arrogance > > > to recognize that this work will, in fact, be used for centuries, if > > > our civilization endures. It is realistic assessment of the work of > > > analysis and encoding and its utility. > > > > > > On the other hand, future standardisers will no doubt recognise, as > > those of us who are not arrogant must do today, that there are > > inadequacies and limitations in some of "the analysis of the world's > > writing systems which we are doing today". Parts of the analysis will > > stand for centuries, if our civilisation survives, but other parts will > > be rejected as inadequate. And these future standardisers will seek to > > correct the ways in which these inadequacies have been incorporated into > > Unicode in ways which cannot be changed under the stability policy. > > > > -- > > Peter Kirk > > peter@qaya.org (personal) > > peterkirk@qaya.org (work) > > http://www.qaya.org/ > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.12 - Release Date: 17/05/2005 > > > > > > > >