Return-Path: Received: from murder ([unix socket]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Cyrus v2.2.8-Mandrake-RPM-2.2.8-4.2.101mdk) with LMTPA; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 05:18:14 +0200 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3D1C61B05 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 05:18:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03643-04 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 05:17:50 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: domain auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.4.8 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CBC061AFD for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 05:17:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Douz6-0007Y3-86; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 23:17:32 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dotp0-0004NE-EC for ltru@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 22:03:02 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA20911 for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 22:02:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from montage.altserver.com ([63.247.74.122]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DouFH-0006Ip-PI for ltru@ietf.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 22:30:12 -0400 Received: from ver78-2-82-241-91-24.fbx.proxad.net ([82.241.91.24] helo=jfc.afrac.org) by montage.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1Dotos-0007JW-TG for ltru@ietf.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 19:02:55 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050703025830.04a12060@pop.online.fr> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 04:02:50 +0200 To: ltru@ietf.org From: Jefsey Morfin Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - online.fr X-Scan-Signature: 52e1467c2184c31006318542db5614d5 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 23:17:30 -0400 Cc: Subject: [Ltru] IANA ISO 3166 related Registries X-BeenThere: ltru@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ltru-bounces@lists.ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@lists.ietf.org X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at alvestrand.no The fundamental reason I opposed and will continue to oppose the current Draft is that it uses the IANA Registry to attach and disseminate worldwide a new language attribute concerning national and linguistic communities without involving them. This langtag also confuses these communities and cultures since it can only discriminate through the generic language code, its generic script code, and the code of a country. What can be conceived for a solitary linguist classifying its library or sorting his notes, does not make sense when considering a network, all the more when the words being used are not defined, neither as concepts nor as the way their are instantiated: what is a language, what is the nature descriptive or normative of the langtag, if its for the reader, for the author, for the relational exchange? This is not acceptable when these langtags will be de facto imposed to languages independently of the laws and policies which may identify, define, support them. The position adopted by the USA concerning the control of the root file results in the continuation of the IANA contract and therefore the dependance of the considered Registry from the US Government. Under the circumstance, AFRAC (whose purpose in life is to provide a proper reference system to French people) has concerted with similar projects under consideration in Europe, Africa, Asia, South America and Canada. The consensus is that every IANA Registry using ISO 3166 codes will be from now on deemed representing an US position, unless it is transferred to the ICANN IANA zone, on such case the authority should be the GAC. The consensus is that generally the US point of view on local culture does bear enough weight to be worth the continuation of the effort engaged since December. Also it is that priority will be given to the root files and that any organisation proposing a distributed IANA copy will support the langtag Registry decided by its own Culture Ministry. It is also agreed that the US position should be read as a support of the International Standards simplification (in this case as ISO 11179, ISO 639-3, ISO 639-4, ISO 639-6, ISO 3166). The consensus is therefore to use the ISO tags or built from ISO tables, and to use x-tags. _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru