Return-Path: Received: from murder ([unix socket]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Cyrus v2.2.8-Mandrake-RPM-2.2.8-4.2.101mdk) with LMTPA; Sun, 03 Jul 2005 03:18:00 +0200 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8482361B64 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 03:18:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19188-04 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 03:17:56 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: domain auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.4.8 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E00B61AFD for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2005 03:17:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dot53-0005l4-LW; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 21:15:33 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dot51-0005kz-8O for ietf@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 21:15:31 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA18112 for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 21:15:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from montage.altserver.com ([63.247.74.122]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DotVI-0003rM-At for ietf@ietf.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 21:42:40 -0400 Received: from ver78-2-82-241-91-24.fbx.proxad.net ([82.241.91.24] helo=jfc.afrac.org) by montage.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1Dot4r-0004Qy-Ds for ietf@ietf.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 18:15:21 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050702103242.04447710@pop.online.fr> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 03:15:16 +0200 To: ietf@ietf.org From: "JFC (Jefsey) Morfin" In-Reply-To: <42C64CB9.9090507@i-dns.net> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050630110931.04a66eb0@pop.online.fr> <42C64CB9.9090507@i-dns.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jefsey.com X-Scan-Signature: e8a67952aa972b528dd04570d58ad8fe Subject: the networks within the network - if ain't broke, let build on it. X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF-Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ietf-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ietf-bounces@ietf.org X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at alvestrand.no I have often been controverted due to my underlying vision of the international nature of the internet. The new US position documents this vision. It also confirms the most proper channels (ccTLDs as the trustees of their national internet communities) to address its evolution. It also puts the IETF under the competition of other fora. I organised a two years long experimentation answering the ICANN ICP-3 call. It documented both the need (here expressed by the USA) and ways for every nation to control its national naming and numbering spaces and of a network intergovernance of the national/specialised/communities governances. This is a universal need of surety and stability for the national critical infrastructures, a competitive offer of regalian services to their citizens, culture, languages and economy, of national Defence and persons' security, privacy and legal protection. This should prevent balkanisation, pulverisation and US dominance attempts. The suggestion of the 18 months work of the exploratory non-profit we incporated, is to proceed through an evolution of the core parameters of the Internet from "mono" to "multi" (no competion over any space, but coexistence of multiple spaces). There may be other propositions. Building on these experiences, I would suggest we focus right now on three targets: 1. a doctrine to support national, lingual, social empowerments over shared network virtual spaces (users can belong to a multiplicity of them) (a) without endangering the global nature of the international network ("the networks within the network"), (b) extending the end-to end concept to person-to-person (interintelligibility) and to community-to-community (common life). The USA challenge us: if ain't broke, ... let build on it. 2. to preserve the IANA IETF part from national and cultural disputes. ICANN relations with the USG result from the IANA contract http://www.icann.org/general/iana-contract-09feb00.htm. The last thing we need are national disputes over the IETF part (protocols) of the IANA due to this. This is why I wasted so much time fighting RFC 3066 bis: every Registry referring to ISO 3166 should be transferred into the ICANN/GAC IANA area. Government, cultural, commercial issues are not the IETF business. We want a distributed extended IANA, not 191 national anti-IANAs. 3. to establish a liaison between IETF and ccTLDs. I invited Brian Carpenter to address the ccTLD Luxembourg meeting on this. He declined, after consulting with Leslie Daigle. They saw no need for a liaison at this stage while IETF already has liaisons with ICANN. Remarks: (a) There are two liaisons: BoD (John Klensin), and technical: not manned. (b) ICANN has no vocation to represent the ccTLDs but to relate with them. However, Brian welcomed a direct technical dialogs, on an ad-hoc basis, with the concerned ADs. At the present time ccTLDs cannot do that as a community. I therefore studied the way for them to address Brian's demand. I will present it on Sunday at the ccTLD meeting. My invitation to Brian (or Leslie) holds: it would be a timely way to show the IETF is involved and was ready. This proposition, which meets the agreement and support of every concerned party I met f2f, consists in (a) an open forum sponsored by ccTLDs where every technical need, from bandwidth to lingual support, could be introduced by their Managers (b) an independent multi-technology/multimode (convergence) task force to translate it into coordinated technical specs, to dialog with the IETF, W3C and other fora, and to keep updated an internet developer/user guide (c) a running code experimentation and validation community test-bed, along with the ICANN guidelines. Comments and suggestions welcome. jfc _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf