Return-Path: Received: from murder ([unix socket]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Cyrus v2.2.8-Mandrake-RPM-2.2.8-4.2.101mdk) with LMTPA; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 20:22:56 +0200 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD0FC61B64 for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 20:22:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15394-04 for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 20:22:53 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: domain auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.4.8 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B3661AFD for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 20:22:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DomXC-0001U7-HX; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 14:16:10 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DomX9-0001Po-V5 for ietf@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 14:16:08 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA14366 for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 14:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from montage.altserver.com ([63.247.74.122]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DomxM-0004lw-Jr for ietf@ietf.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 14:43:13 -0400 Received: from ver78-2-82-241-91-24.fbx.proxad.net ([82.241.91.24] helo=jfc.afrac.org) by montage.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1DomWu-0003Uf-Cz; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 11:15:52 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050702163605.03ae7eb0@mail.jefsey.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 16:41:07 +0200 To: "Theodore Ts'o" From: "JFC (Jefsey) Morfin" In-Reply-To: <20050701234342.GB9383@thunk.org> References: <200507010501.BAA14078@ietf.org> <20050701145159.GB2719@thunk.org> <6.2.1.2.2.20050701230622.03f2dbf0@mail.jefsey.com> <20050701234342.GB9383@thunk.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jefsey.com X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Cc: ietf@ietf.org, Ken Carlberg Subject: Re: S stands for Steering [Re: Should the IESG rule or not?] X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF-Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ietf-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ietf-bounces@ietf.org X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at alvestrand.no At 01:43 02/07/2005, Theodore Ts'o wrote: >On Fri, Jul 01, 2005 at 11:07:47PM +0200, JFC (Jefsey) Morfin wrote: > > The list of "satisfied" is of ne real interest. The list of "disatistied" > > seem important enough to say there is no consensus. > >No IETF consensus is required to accept or deny a registration for the >registry in question under the current rules; instead IESG approval is >required instead. Agreed. But the question is now "does IETF think IESG was right". There is no consensus. We should therefore stop arguing on HPH and get a more peacefull and general debate. I prefer the "we have a generic problem" approach to "you are dumb stupid to have (not) adopted that, because of RFC n1 to nx". ... >And if there is no consensus, then there is also no consensus to >change RFC 2780, under which auspices the IESG acted.... It seems it is a second problem which could be addressed after the general one. all the best. jfc _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf