Return-Path: Received: from murder ([unix socket]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Cyrus v2.2.8-Mandrake-RPM-2.2.8-4.2.101mdk) with LMTPA; Tue, 10 May 2005 23:47:12 +0200 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7693161B56 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 23:47:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06101-06 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 23:47:09 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: domain auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.4.8 Received: from unicode.org (unicode.org [69.13.187.164]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id C605561AF1 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 23:47:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from sarasvati.unicode.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unicode.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4ALg8Oi009527; Tue, 10 May 2005 16:42:08 -0500 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list unicode); Tue, 10 May 2005 16:42:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from montage.altserver.com (montage.altserver.com [63.247.74.122]) by unicode.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4ALg7t5009511 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 16:42:07 -0500 Received: from lns-p19-4-idf-82-65-244-40.adsl.proxad.net ([82.65.244.40] helo=jfc.afrac.org) by montage.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1DVcUP-0005NK-MZ; Tue, 10 May 2005 14:42:06 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050510210940.037c74a0@mail.jefsey.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 23:42:02 +0200 To: Hans Aberg From: "JFC (Jefsey) Morfin" Subject: Re: Full Unicode Computer Keyboard Cc: "Donald Z. Osborn" , Unicode List In-Reply-To: References: <1115701784.4280421850fff@webmail.kabissa.org> <6.2.1.2.2.20050510150539.056f5e60@mail.jefsey.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - unicode.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jefsey.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-archive-position: 19851 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: unicode-bounce@unicode.org Errors-To: unicode-bounce@unicode.org X-original-sender: jefsey@jefsey.com Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-ID: X-List-ID: X-list: unicode X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at alvestrand.no At 18:42 10/05/2005, Hans Aberg wrote: >At 15:31 +0200 2005/05/10, JFC (Jefsey) Morfin wrote: >> - the first one being the keyboards. With real problems since my >> AZERTY keyboard does not support all the legal French characters, so I >> must rely on the goodwill of applications to enter characters sequences >> correctly, what is totally impossible (how do you want a program to know >> that COEUR has a ligature and NOE has not). > >This last is essentially a parsing and rendering problem: If COEUR and NOE >can be identified by the context they are in, the correct semantic >information can be attached to them. This semantic information can then be >used to provide a correct rendering. The problems is similar to the >multiple uses of "-", as a number negation, and a number range which in >correct typesetting is rendered differently. This difference led me to the >notion of "input characters". Hi! Hans, Here I am lost. Context has nothing to do with hardware? I just say that I am quite unhappy to miss on my keyboard keys permitting me to properly type my own language. What is interesting me is therefore to study the different charsets (as defined by RFC 2277) in use and to see what are the industrial, economic, technical, ergonmic, etc. parameters of their best support for different languages. Which propositions can be made towards a standardisation and political decisions making this issue to be addressed. This starts with a compilation of the different charsets, aside script.txt? jfc