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Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:02:37 +0200
To: dcrocker@bbiw.net, Brian E Carpenter <brc@zurich.ibm.com>
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At 21:40 23/06/2005, Dave Crocker wrote:
>How many people compose "a body of seriously active folk"?  Beats the heck 
>out of me.  But let me suggest that if we make a point of looking honestly 
>at an effort during its formation and as it is prosecuted, we will 
>typically see very clearly whether the activity is of a few folk pursuing 
>a personal -- albeit possibly appealing -- whim or is of a seriously 
>active industry constituency.
>
>Asking the question honestly is the hard part.

May be a ratio would be to consider: the participation curbs. If you see 
there is an attrition of initial participants (for example, to the Charter 
identification analysis/road map consensus period) to the benefit of the 
same final small number of participants, you may consider a consensus by 
exhaustion, organised by an affinity group which only draw IETF resources 
to label their own pet position. If there was no common Charter analysis it 
is also a good indication.

A participation analysys tool should not be complex to develop (number of 
participant over a sliding period of one week, participation pattern, 
etc.). A famous case on an @large list permitted me to identify the 
existence of specialised servers to help people wanting to organise a "Deny 
of Thinking" on a mailing list; and to detect some of the people being used 
or maniplulating the list. They use such tools.

jfc




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