Return-Path: Received: from murder ([unix socket]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Cyrus v2.2.8-Mandrake-RPM-2.2.8-4.2.101mdk) with LMTPA; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 22:16:18 +0200 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61B0332008A for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 22:16:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25784-10 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 22:16:14 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: domain auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.4.8 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id F033C32006F for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 22:16:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E8kUl-0008Md-8A; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:08:11 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E8kUg-0008LW-DH for ietf@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:08:08 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA16087 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from montage.altserver.com ([63.247.74.122]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E8kVQ-0004Ic-Qs for ietf@ietf.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:08:53 -0400 Received: from ver78-2-82-241-91-24.fbx.proxad.net ([82.241.91.24] helo=jfc.afrac.org) by montage.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1E8kUL-000851-Ow; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 13:07:54 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050826173857.03a8f130@mail.jefsey.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 17:49:07 +0200 To: Brian E Carpenter From: "JFC (Jefsey) Morfin" In-Reply-To: <430F33E4.20204@zurich.ibm.com> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20050826005941.03dcdeb0@mail.jefsey.com> <430EF843.3000709@zurich.ibm.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20050826142135.049e1a60@mail.jefsey.com> <430F33E4.20204@zurich.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jefsey.com X-Scan-Signature: b19722fc8d3865b147c75ae2495625f2 Cc: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: IESG powers X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF-Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ietf-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ietf-bounces@ietf.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at alvestrand.no On 17:23 26/08/2005, Brian E Carpenter said: >JFC (Jefsey) Morfin wrote: >>At 13:08 26/08/2005, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> >>>JFC (Jefsey) Morfin wrote: >>> >>>>just a remark here. In the RFC 3066bis Last Call case the IETF >>>>has the capacity not only to "police" but to "impose" and >>>>"force". This is the case when a memo documents a IANA registry. >>>>In the case of a standard track memo, there can be an appeal >>>>before it is imposed. It seems not in the case of a BCP. >>> >>>Wrong. IESG approvals of a standards track draft or of a BCP are equally >>>subject to appeal within two months. >> >>Dear Brian, >>I do not say that BCP are not subject to appeal, but that in the >>case of a standard track an appeal delays the enforcement and that >>in the case of BCP it does not. My sources are quoted below. > >I have no idea what you mean. Neither IETF standards nor BCPs are >enforced by anybody - they are what the standards community calls >voluntary standards. Brian, ??? we talk of the enforcement of the IANA considerations. When appealed (to IESG and then IAB) when is the IANA to apply the IANA considerations: - of a BCP? - of a standard track RFC? jfc _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf