Return-Path: Received: from murder ([unix socket]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Cyrus v2.2.8-Mandrake-RPM-2.2.8-4.2.101mdk) with LMTPA; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:08:17 +0200 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9B4A320099 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:08:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17275-03 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:08:11 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: domain auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.4.8 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7815632009B for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:08:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E5gL8-0005hy-8P; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 05:05:34 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E5gL5-0005hm-EO for ietf@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 05:05:31 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA20890 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 05:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from montage.altserver.com ([63.247.74.122]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E5gun-0001E7-1E for ietf@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 05:42:26 -0400 Received: from ver78-2-82-241-91-24.fbx.proxad.net ([82.241.91.24] helo=jfc.afrac.org) by montage.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1E5gKp-0005FG-Py; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 02:05:16 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050818101910.0373feb0@mail.jefsey.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:05:11 +0200 To: ietf@ietf.org From: "JFC (Jefsey) Morfin" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jefsey.com X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Cc: dmm@1-4-5.net, henrik@levkowetz.com Subject: is the WG-Charter concept changed? X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF-Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ietf-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ietf-bounces@ietf.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at alvestrand.no http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-proto-wgchair-doc-shepherding-05.txt The Draft above seems already to be used in some areas to rule a procedure to decrease the AD's working load and to speed up the reviewing process. It gives more importance to the WG Chair's personal opinion, what may have cons and pros. I thought the WG Chair decides of rough consensus and if the WG deliverables are ready in reference to the Charter, the "contract" between the IETF/IESG/IAB community and the WG. Am I wrong or is this changed ? The word "Charter" is not even used in this Draft. The decisions and comments sent to the IESG are therefore subject to the WG Chair's position and not to the IESG requirements. I suggested the authors the following two additions (tentative text provided). I have not received a response yet while I face a case where this point is important and urgent. 1. The first addition is that the proposed write-ups are presented for quick comments to the WG. 2. two questions more are added, one on the way the Charter has been respected, one on the care given not to favor one technical vision over others (one might refer to RFC 3869). I suppose competition in a WG is not between propositions but for the best user needs support? jfc _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf