Return-Path: Received: from murder ([unix socket]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Cyrus v2.2.8-Mandrake-RPM-2.2.8-4.2.101mdk) with LMTPA; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 03:02:13 +0200 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A09B32009A for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 03:02:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16383-05 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 03:02:08 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: domain auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.4.8 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7530B320099 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 03:02:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E4pkl-0004ku-Mb; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:56:31 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E4pkk-0004kC-16 for ltru@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:56:30 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA17104 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from montage.altserver.com ([63.247.74.122]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E4qJy-0001GD-GM for ltru@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:32:54 -0400 Received: from ver78-2-82-241-91-24.fbx.proxad.net ([82.241.91.24] helo=jfc.afrac.org) by montage.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1E4pkh-0006bm-BX; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:56:27 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050816022623.04c0bc00@mail.afrac.org> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 02:51:17 +0200 To: "Randy Presuhn" From: r&d afrac Subject: Re: [Ltru] Re: [psg.com #1103] WGLC Add File-level Description field In-Reply-To: <007701c5a1ee$f284b940$7f1afea9@oemcomputer> References: <634978A7DF025A40BFEF33EB191E13BC0C72BA7D@irvmbxw01.quest.com> <007701c5a1ee$f284b940$7f1afea9@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - afrac.org X-Scan-Signature: 9466e0365fc95844abaf7c3f15a05c7d Cc: ltru@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ltru@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ltru-bounces@lists.ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@lists.ietf.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at alvestrand.no On 01:13 16/08/2005, Randy Presuhn said: >I'd like to give others time to speak on the proposal to mark #1103 >rejected, whether understood as adding a "FileDescription" field >or a "#" convention for comments. I'll give folks until 10:00 a.m. >(California time) on Tuesday, August 16 2005 for further comment. >That will give all our active participants a chance to comment on this, >since at least some of the Europeans are probably asleep right now. I obviously hate this. But it must be said. After consensus by exhaustion: this is exclusion by the clock! Difficult to better document an American (Californian?) oriented bias. Asians, Middle-East, Africans, etc. are not even considered! As if Drafts were a competition between American and European positions (as suggested by a WG Draft author), instead of a common work striving towards the best solutions for all. This attitude also denotes a childish confusion between an IETF-WG and a wooden horse toy. USA had Minute Men, they seem now to have Minute Last Calls. I am not to judge this, so I will not call for the resignation of the co-Chair. But I would think his apologies to all the members of this WG would be appropriate to maintain a decent image of the IETF. Sorry. jfc _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru