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Subject: Dog Food (was "IETF servers aren't for testing")
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On 02:04 07/08/2005, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ said:
 > Yes and not ... Real large scale deployment trials only started in
 >  2001-2002, and it was already using production space. Then we had 
commercial
 >  deployment, at that time mainly in Asia Pacific and Europe.
 >
 >  I will say that IPv6 experimental stage was over around 2002-2003, 
specially
 >  looking at vendors support. Of course, this always depend on "your own
 >  hands-on experience" ;-)

Dear Jordi,
There could be many criteria to say IPv6 is operational. Mine is that at 
this (st)age of IPv6 deployment a SME (we absolutely need them to push and 
pay for IPv6 acceptance) should be able to:
- subscribe an IPv6/IPv4 ADSL access
- put a bootable CD in a new machine with a Wi-Fi router plugged on the 
ADSL line
- answer a few well documented questions
- and get its server running under Apache, with a xxxmail working as pop, 
smtp, mailing list and anti-spam, their named operational and reasonable 
anti-virus, firewall, network management, log reporting tool, 
backup/restore, security alarm solutions being in operation and full Perl 
and PHP support for network scripts being loaded.

I have the ADSL line and IPv6/IPv4 address for three months. I am still 
looking for a trustable "dog food" cann: an ISO to dowload, CD to Fedex, a 
compact nomad version on a bootable USB key? May be then the IETF could a 
copy: not to test it, but to show it can be used. I know you made a lot of 
practical efforts: did you come accross of such a dog foot? I would love to 
test!
jfc

On 09:44 05/08/2005, Iljitsch van Beijnum said:
>Hi,
>
>Yesterday in the plenary in response to a request for making the IETF
>servers IPv6-capable, I believe Leslie said we shouldn't use IETF
>servers for testing.
>
>In and of itself I fully agree with that statement. However, the
>assumption that IPv6 is an experimental protocol and enabling it on
>the various IETF servers should be considered "testing" isn't exactly
>a glowing endorsement of 10 years of IETF work.
>
>It sounds distasteful, but we should really be eating your own dog food.
>
>Limiting myself to the www.ietf.org webservers (yes, this address
>points to two different hosts) it appears this site runs on:
>
>Server: Apache/2.0.46 (Red Hat)
>Server: Apache/2.0.40 (Red Hat Linux) DAV/2 mod_ssl/2.0.40 OpenSSL/ 0.9.7a
>
>Even though these Apache versions are 2 - 3 years old (with many
>vulnerabilities found and fixed in the mean time), they're fully
>capable of supporting IPv6, as are Red Hat Linux versions of around
>the same age.
>
>It would be a nice way to mark 7 years of RFC 2460 (or 10 years of
>RFC 1883, both were published in december) and the closing of the
>IPv6 wg with addition of IPv6 to at least the IETF WWW servers.
>
>(BTW a big "yuck" for being behind two-faced DNS here at the IETF
>meeting venue.)
>
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