Return-Path: Received: from murder ([unix socket]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Cyrus v2.2.8-Mandrake-RPM-2.2.8-4.2.101mdk) with LMTPA; Sun, 07 Aug 2005 03:15:19 +0200 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD5F53200B5 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 03:15:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32232-04 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 03:15:14 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: domain auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.4.8 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 016183200AB for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 03:15:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E1Zip-0000JQ-EB; Sat, 06 Aug 2005 21:13:03 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E1Zim-0000I1-7J for ietf@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 06 Aug 2005 21:13:00 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA23481 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 21:12:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from montage.altserver.com ([63.247.74.122]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E1aGA-0004so-Ck for ietf@ietf.org; Sat, 06 Aug 2005 21:47:31 -0400 Received: from ver78-2-82-241-91-24.fbx.proxad.net ([82.241.91.24] helo=jfc.afrac.org) by montage.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1E1Zif-0007W9-8M; Sat, 06 Aug 2005 18:12:53 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050807024504.0427c560@mail.jefsey.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 02:53:57 +0200 To: Spencer Dawkins , From: "JFC (Jefsey) Morfin" In-Reply-To: <000f01c59add$a4dddae0$0600a8c0@DFNJGL21> References: <200508062307.TAA18855@ietf.org> <000f01c59add$a4dddae0$0600a8c0@DFNJGL21> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jefsey.com X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 Cc: Subject: Re: Why have we gotten away from running code? X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF-Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ietf-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ietf-bounces@ietf.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at alvestrand.no At 01:21 07/08/2005, Spencer Dawkins wrote: >I agree with almost everything that Brian Rosen says in his note - the >only thing that made me wonder, after Steve Bellovin talked at the IAB >plenary about a crypto protocol that got blown twice in a specification >that had only three message (message-equivalents? sorry if I >misunderstood), that the definition of "complexity is low" may be a lot >harder than we would have thought intuitively! >Spencer > >>Clearly, there are specifications where the complexity is low, and we have >>enough experience with the subject that we can be reasonably sure it works >>without running code. Full agreement with both. With the additional remarks that "low complexity" may result from a lack of proper consideration of the charter (what should always be the first task of a WG) or from a lack of competence to see that complexity; and that great care should be given that the description of never ran code solutions are not labelled "BCP" just because their Draft claims to replace an RFC with a BCP number. jfc _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf