Return-Path: Received: from murder ([unix socket]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Cyrus v2.2.8-Mandrake-RPM-2.2.8-4.2.101mdk) with LMTPA; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 03:47:29 +0200 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DBBB3200B8 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 03:47:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18771-10 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 03:47:25 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: domain auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.4.8 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EB683200B5 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 03:47:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E08L2-0000UY-U9; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 21:46:32 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E08L1-0000R0-2M for ltru@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 21:46:31 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA00296 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 21:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from montage.altserver.com ([63.247.74.122]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E08rb-0004Ir-RZ for ltru@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 22:20:12 -0400 Received: from ver78-2-82-241-91-24.fbx.proxad.net ([82.241.91.24] helo=jfc.afrac.org) by montage.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1E08Kv-0003AG-Ei; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 18:46:25 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050802204848.0461fb20@mail.afrac.org> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 00:50:15 +0200 To: "Addison Phillips" From: r&d afrac Subject: RE: [Ltru] [psg.com #1092] WGLC treat 0- as escape from syntax In-Reply-To: <634978A7DF025A40BFEF33EB191E13BC0C4AB498@irvmbxw01.quest.c om> References: <634978A7DF025A40BFEF33EB191E13BC0C4AB498@irvmbxw01.quest.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - afrac.org X-Scan-Signature: 21c69d3cfc2dd19218717dbe1d974352 Cc: ltru@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ltru@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ltru-bounces@lists.ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@lists.ietf.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at alvestrand.no On 18:30 02/08/2005, Addison Phillips said: >It does not work with "most" implementations and does not conform to the >ABNF if the subtags exceed 8 characters or include the characters colon or >dot. Try inputting your example into Mozilla (gee... it rejects the tag as >invalid) This is exactly what we want, don't we? I do not represent every need in town: I am not interested in old Mozilla! >You can, of course, write an I-D (many of us have asked, nay, begged you >to do so for lo these past many months). Whether it gains acceptance or >not is dependent on the usual factors. May the best solution win. It was clearly useless in this WG. I wanted to call on ADs to demonstrate that through so many tricks the target was the protection of a commercial dominance against open source, user grassroots and industry competition. Thank you to spare me and the AD that load. You confuse standardisation and competition. There is no competing solutions, nobody wants to "win" here. The best solution is the one cute enough to "best" support the needs of _everyone_. The only winner is to be the user. You just failed that with your Draft. I asked, nay, begged you to succeed for eight months in changing one single word. Again and again. But you wanted to "win". To show you had the "best" solution. The "0-" escape sequence was most probably the best solution I could find to save _your_ Draft. IETF is a network standardisation body for a global network. Layer 8 bias, petty competition spirit as I suffered it is not only absurd, but totally counter productive. RFC 3869 says that if R&D funding mainly commercial, the Internet is in trouble: you demonstrated it. Worse you exposed it. This poor for the IETF image and bad for image of the supporting coporations. All the more than it will call the attention on the poor level of preparatory research and of multilingual network architecture vision. Had you worked a few days on the Charter to try understanding why RFC 3066 is inadequate you would have realised that the problem is with the choice of ISO typographer codes to document community relational exchanges. But .... you obviously know better. jfc _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru