Return-Path: Received: from murder ([unix socket]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Cyrus v2.2.8-Mandrake-RPM-2.2.8-4.2.101mdk) with LMTPA; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 05:07:58 +0200 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4915261B43 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 05:07:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06955-05 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 05:07:55 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: domain auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.4.8 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A49961AF5 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 05:07:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dxygf-0001nK-73; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:03:57 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dxygd-0001lq-5E for ltru@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:03:55 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA28380 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from montage.altserver.com ([63.247.74.122]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DxzBz-0004KG-1X for ltru@ietf.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:36:20 -0400 Received: from i03m-212-195-148-209.d4.club-internet.fr ([212.195.148.209] helo=jfc.afrac.org) by montage.altserver.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1DxygU-0003WZ-D8; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:03:46 -0700 Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050728044650.045b86b0@mail.afrac.org> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 04:57:44 +0200 To: "Doug Ewell" , "LTRU Working Group" From: r&d afrac Subject: Re: [Ltru] Re: [psg.com #1072] compatibility and private use tags In-Reply-To: <001f01c59282$91bb4460$030aa8c0@DEWELL> References: <20050727074420.MYZH29598.mta4.adelphia.net@megatron.ietf.org> <001f01c59282$91bb4460$030aa8c0@DEWELL> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - montage.altserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - afrac.org X-Scan-Signature: 7baded97d9887f7a0c7e8a33c2e3ea1b Cc: X-BeenThere: ltru@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Language Tag Registry Update working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ltru-bounces@lists.ietf.org Errors-To: ltru-bounces@lists.ietf.org X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at alvestrand.no At 10:09 27/07/2005, Doug Ewell wrote: >Randy Presuhn wrote: > > > Has anyone been persuaded by Jefsey's arguments that we need to > > re-open the discussion of private-use (sub)tag syntax and > > compatibility? Unless there is support for re-examining this > > decision, I believe it is in the best interest of timely completion > > of our work to leave this issue closed. > >I am not persuaded. Compatibility with the existing RFC 3066 syntax, >which permitted only A-Z and 0-9 and hyphen, is important. The use of >full stop (period, dot) and other characters in language tags has never >been authorized by even the most liberal reading of RFC 3066. The >mechanism described in the current draft allows for private-use tags and >subtags of infinite length, a degree of flexibility provided by few >other standards and protocols. If your belief is genuine, and not pure comptempt of your competition as it resents it, can you document: 1. you warranty these scheme will prevent conflicts 2. will support a simple format such as x-schemes:name.subname:address:date-etc. 3. will address the right of billions of users to document the way they want 20.000 languages in thousands of regions, the languages and scripting variations they may chose (private use is for that). If you can seriously document this I will drop my demand. >We have discussed these arguments and reached a decision; let us move on. Can you document that long and interesting discussion? We are in Last Call. Those who do not support your decision are supposed to oppose it. This applies to the comments of Randy and Addison and to the silence of Martin. Sorry, I do not make the rules. As they are they helped the Internet to survive. jfc _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru