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Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:43:06 +0200
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On 15:23 21/07/2005, Hallam-Baker, Phillip said:
>Two and a half thousand years ago a dispute arose in a Greek city on the
>Mediterranean concerning the nature of knowledge. One side said that
>knowledge should be based on observations and that these are primary.
>The other side said that pure reason was supreme and started making
>obscure metaphors about caves.
>
>The intellectual successors of Plato's faction gave us the dark ages,
>fascism and communism, argument from authority trumps all else. The
>intellectual successors of Aristotle's faction gave us the renaissance,
>science, medicine, engineering.

Dear Phillip,
I love and agree with your basic reasoning. However, I suggest Plato's=20
paradigme gives him a chance of beeing redeemed. I certainly love Aristot=
le=20
but the _observation_ of the "kubernetes" specificity was Plato's. I=20
certainly agree that the Dark Side confused the cybernetics, but if you=20
come back to Amp=E8re, Wiener, Coufignal (people thinking in an=20
Aristotelician way), and build on them, with the extended Plato's paradig=
m=20
("is the network of the networks a fleet or a shipping? an "Admiralty way=
"=20
or an intergovernance?) and using their logic inherited from Aristotle=20
(potentiality, granualrity, scalability, subsidiarity), I feel you can=20
obtain most of the solutions you look for.

May be could you reread our bible (RFC 1958) and enjoy its only permanent=
=20
principle.
jfc


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